Bert: How
gets an OCEANSIZE song created? When you add the lyrics? Who
or what does influence you when writing songs?
Mike: First, we make sure we’ve had a really
strong cup of tea. Then we bugger about on guitars and drums
until the wire and wood starts making tunes that we all agree
are good. We tend just to jam an idea for 20 minutes at a time
and record so we can hear it forming and mutating. Usually in
my mind I’m pushing the sections into a specific order
so I can then make some kind of coherent vocal over the top.
Influences... millions. But mainly just each other is enough
of an influence. We are a pretty insular unit.
Dajana: Just
generally speaking: what does inspire you at all to write songs
about?
Mike: Just general funny thought patterns and in-jokes.
It’d be easy to get all po-faced with the seriousness
of it all, but actually there’s a bit of humor in most
of the lyrics.
Bert: Your
songs are often long-running monoliths. Is it difficult to finish
such song at the right point? To let it go? When the song changes
most: on stage or at studio?
Mike: In our rehearsal space. We tend to do the real
hard work there... for months and months. When we think we’re
ready, we’ll go out and play nothing but new tunes, then
drive straight to the studio so we’re solid and ready
to catch the moment. We don’t try to make the songs so
long; they just don’t stop when we think they have. When
we’re writing a song we usually don’t realize how
long it is until we record it. Our brains must run at different
speeds to other people’s cos the tunes just sound long
enough to us.
Bert: As
for the running time of your songs you get almost completely
cut out from music TV and radio airplay. There are no singles,
because single songs would have been torn out of the overall
concept. The next logical step would be an album with only song
running over the entire length or a soundtrack. Any plans in
this direction?
Mike: I’d love to do something like that yeah.
I actually suggested it before we wrote Frames,
but it was met with a grunt and a shrug. Maybe one day though.
Bert: The
cover of Frames is quite plane, reduced to the essence,
contrary to the music… Colors seem to be a very important
topic in the OCEANSIZE universe. Red suits the music on Frames
well ;) How important is the visual part for you when it comes
to album/ covers and booklet/t-shirt design?
Mike: We decided that the Frames cover should be quite
minimal and ambiguous, maybe as a reaction against the previous
album’s elaborate covers. This record is quite evocative,
and we wanted the tunes to speak for themselves, rather than
having a big monster or something on the cover that’s
maybe gonna connote something that just isn’t there in
the music.
Dajana: The
topic “colors” runs through all of your releases
and is always a welcome theme to get picked up in interviews,
sometimes with funny statements ;) How much you (really) think
about it and put work into the color coding of your music?
Mike: Er. What? I dunno. I think our music is colorful,
all different colors like a kaleidoscope. I probably spelled
that wrong.
Bert: You
often get compared with Pink Floyd and Tool, but at the same
time you get pegged as "Neo-Prog" or „Prog Rock“,
a fact you don’t find really funny (as it’s known)
Mike: Personally I’m not a big prog fan... In
the traditional sense it’s all a bit daft and pompous.
And it’s dated terribly. Obviously, I like a bit of the
Floyd, and I can appreciate gentle giant and magma cos I can
hear cardiac in it. But yeah... no prog, cheers. I don’t
mind tool though, though I wish they’d do something else
with their tunes now.
Dajana: Apropos
drawers… You once said: „I worry when we can categorize
ourselves, that's when we'll really fuck it up.“ Ok, tricky
situation ;) How to describe OCEANSIZE for the press and possible
new-listeners/fans? Do it here brief and clear ;)
Mike: Many years ago Mogwai and... Trail Of Dead claimed
to have spearheaded the new ‘death indie’ scene.
I liked the sound of that so I figured we were similar to them
but a bit more complex so I call it ‘progressive death
indie’, which is so ridiculous, it’s funny. Notice
I say progressive and not prog.
Dajana: Last
year you had problems with your manager. How much you are reliant
on a manager as a band? When you need one and how to employ
the right ones handling your business?
Mike: Well, our managerial problems were a few years
ago, our first manager left when he realized he was never gonna
get rich off us. A manager is important from day one: the band
should worry about nothing but making the music. The band needs
a complete and clear mind in order to write. Plus, the band
needs someone to shout at when things go wrong. I would recommend
not getting in your mate who’s a failed guitarist in to
manage your band. Band management is a fucking minefield and
theirs tones of shit that you need to know to do the job right.
Bert: What’s
right now in your CD player? Do you listen to much music besides
band-related stuff? Does new music or different songwriting
have any influence or change your own point of view in these
matters?
Mike: As I type I’m listening to Fight Fire With
Water on myspace. Lovely stuff. Also, I’ve fallen arse
over tit in love with dEUS; In A Bar, Under The Sea is just
sickenly good. Those are often my favorite records, the ones
that make me feel totally inept, the ones that make me wish
I’d thought of them. I guess we’ve been known to
wear our influences on our sleeve; however we do try to make
it as difficult to spot as possible. In terms of what I like
to listen to, I find that I haven’t really got time for
anything unless it inspires me in some way.
Dajana: Many
of talented and creative musicians I know are very creative
in other things too. Same to you? Do you have other creative/artistic
outlets? What you do in your leisure time (if you have any)
and what for you waste your hard-earned money?
Mike: I’m afraid I’m utterly useless in
every other aspect of my life, but I feel I make up for that
by playing guitar pretty well. In my leisure time I pet my cat
and sleep. I make time for my friends who I enjoy talking shit
with over a few drinks. I don’t really have any rock n’
roll network of mates, but I love drinking with Amplifier and
Biffy Clyro. Great chat.
Dajana: I
actually wanted to go to your show in Cologne but my car refused
my request. Saying: I still didn’t see you performing
live but heard a lot of positive feedback from others. So what
to expect from an OCEANSIZE show generally? What’s going
off in front of your stage?
Mike: Shame, Cologne was a great show. One of my only
OCEANSIZE stage dives. Very rare occurrence...
Erm, what to expect at an OCEANSIZE show...
us... playing our songs... but louder than on record... broken
drum sticks flying everywhere... sweat... mellow mellow... heavy
heavy......screamy screamy... whisper whisper.... ya know, that
kinda shit. We try to play with conviction, but often rely on
the support of the audience to create the vibe that we feed
off. It’s a kind of cyclic thing; us and the crowd feed
off of each other.
Bert: Take
a crystal ball and look into the future: Where are you in a
couple of years? The niche you carved for you musically will
probably never a blockbuster but attract a lot of real and loyal
fans…
Mike: Probably touring the next record... I should
imagine there’ll be one. We’ve got this far, I see
no real reason to stop now. Let’s see.
Dajana: And
without the crystal ball: what’s coming next? More tours,
festivals (next year), side projects, EP’s, split CD’s?
Mike: We’re working on a sort of Frames
live DVD type thing. That’s just being edited and mixed...
should be quite a sexy package. I’d imagine we’ll
tour around that. We’re looking at getting Frames
out in the US and touring it over there. Other than that, we
just gonna start writing the follow up to Frames
in a week or so.
Dajana: Apropos
splits… Did you ever? If not, with whom you preferably
would like to be done for 2 or 3 songs and with what you’d
coming out then?
Mike: I’m not sure I know what that means. But
I think you mean which band we would like to work with. I’d
say the obvious one would be Amplifier, we’ve been mates
with them since forever, and it’s being a great big band.
Fucking loud too. Maybe Biffy Clyro. I’d love for Tim
Smith (Cardiacs) to write us a couple of songs, I think we could
play them in quite a unique way. I’d love to get Tom Barman
from dEUS to guest on one of our records.
Dajana: Ok,
we are at the end with our questions. Now it’s up to you
to tell us the rest we should have questioned ;) Just shoot!
Mike: Nah mate, I answer questions; I try not to talk
randomized bollocks cos I always but always regret it. thank
you xxxx.
Thanks for
time and effort you have spent on this question :)
Cheers & have a great time